Women can be difficult.
This is especially true if you’re new to seduction, or quite a young man.
One of the worst things for you to be in relation to a girl is her beta orbiter.
Sometimes, men have no idea they’re even in her orbit!
Luckily for you, I’m here to help!
First, let me tell you what a beta orbiter is…
What Is A Beta Orbiter?
A beta orbiter is a man who is spending lots of time with a girl, but is not sleeping with her.
In the words of the famous Patrice O’Neal, he’s her “time ho”.
A beta orbiter does whatever a girl wants because he wants to get laid.
He gets into a so-called “covert contract”.
Usually, the covert contract goes something like this:
“I’m going to kiss her ass, because that’s what will get me laid.”
Here’s the sad part:
Many women catch on to the fact that that is what some men do, and they use them, never intending to sleep with them, ever.
Some women ONLY go for men who do this.
Sad, I know.
These kinds of women are usually referred to as “gold diggers” or “users”.
The worst part of all this is sometimes, the man has no idea he’s even doing it.
He’s just doing what his parents told him to do with women, and it keeps messing him up!
Here is a list of signs that you’re her beta orbiter.
I don’t want you to live a life where people use you, so let me help!
Once again, these are signs that you’re her beta orbiter, something you DON’T WANT…
1 – You Text Her All The Time
You never want to text a girl all the time.
Texting her all the time ruins the mystery of who you are.
Women want to uncover layers of your personality slowly, and feel like they’re the only ones to do it.
Texting her all the time signals that you’re not busy.
You’re signalling that you clearly have nothing better to do.
Texting all the time is horrible and kills attraction.
If you’re texting a girl all the time, it is very likely that you’re friendzoned, or her orbiter.
Awful.
Also, texting gives you no opportunity to sleep with a girl. She’s far away, hidden behind a screen.
Don’t ever text a girl all the time.
This is triply true if you haven’t slept with her twice.
2 – You Go Out On Fancy Dates With Her
A lot of guys get put in the orbiter zone because they go on fancy dates unprompted and too early.
You’re sending the wrong signal if you go on a fancy date with a girl right away!
You’re telling her that you’re willing to drop money on anyone, even near strangers.
It’s a very bad sign.
If you push that provider button hard enough, she’ll never want to sleep with you.
Instead, she’ll keep you on a close shelf, and pick you up only in case of emergency (she’s 35 and has literally no other options for sex than you).
Don’t let it be you!
A good rule of thumb is to avoid pressing any of the provider buttons too early in the interaction.
You want to send the right message (you’re an attractive stud that gets how seduction and women work).
You cannot possibly send this message if you’re constantly pushing the provider button!
3 – You Drive Her Around Everywhere
I don’t understand how a guy with any self respect could ever put everything down just to drive a girl around whenever she wants.
Are you a taxi?
It seems utterly ridiculous to me, and yet, there are men who do this.
Don’t ever let this man be you.
You are a busy man with things to do.
You don’t have the time to drop everything just because a girl told you to.
You think that’s gonna get you laid?
Hell no!
Of course doing something as lame as this makes you an orbiter.
You shouldn’t even be surprised you’re not getting laid if you do stuff like this.
Driving her around whenever she wants signals an utter lack of self respect.
No woman wants to fuck that.
If she’s calling, asking you to do stuff like this for her, you’re not even close to the fuckzone.
You’re in the vermin zone at that point. You’re no greater to her than a rat that does things for her.
Have some goddamn self respect and never do this.
4 – She’s Had the “Lets Just Be Friends” Talk With You and You’ve Stuck Around
If she says LJBF, and you stick around, you’re definitely an orbiter.
The correct reaction to LJBF is: “Cool, I have enough friends” and you leave immediately.
If you’re doing things right, you’ll never hear LJBF.
Understand that if you stick around, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell that you’re gonna lay that girl.
You’re done.
She’s telling you in a nice way that you have no sexual chance with her.
Understand that phrase for what it’s worth and leave!
If you don’t, she’s going to milk you for as many favours and as much attention as she can get.
By the way, she’ll never fuck you.
Did I mention that?
LJBF is a guillotine to sex.
5 – You Have Long Phone Conversations
Are you her girlfriend?
Then don’t have long phone conversations with her.
They’re useless.
The only time you should have a long conversation is after you’ve slept with her twice (and this conversation should be in person, never over the phone).
Before that, she should be doing most of the talking, and you should be reflecting emotions back at her. In person.
Phone conversations give no lay opportunities. They are simply a waste of your time.
This is triply true if you’ve never had sex.
If you haven’t fucked a girl yet, and even after you have, texting and calling should be kept to a minimum.
Logistics ONLY, until you’ve fucked twice.
Long phone conversations signal that you have infinite time to waste.
Are you a time ho?
Spend your time getting new women on your roster, not waxing poetic about how her previous boyfriend was a shitter.
It’s useless.
6 – You Talk to Her About Her Relationship Problems
This one is a never.
It is so common that it is a Hollywood trope.
The loser guy wants a girl and they end up talking about how her previous boyfriend was a trashcan.
The loser guy then magically gets the girl, somehow.
The reality is that a woman will only talk about her relationship problems with a guy she’ll never fuck, or one of her girlfriends.
If you haven’t fucked her twice and she’s talking about her previous relationship problems to you, it is a VERY bad sign.
It means that she has no sexual attraction for you.
It is even worse if she’s talking about her current relationship problems with you.
She has such low attraction for you, she doesn’t care about airing her dirty laundry in front of you.
She would hide that information from a guy she wants to fuck until later, for fear of losing him or giving him the wrong impression.
It’s an incredible red flag that you’re in orbiter land.
7 – You Follow Her Orders
If she barks, and you obey, you’re an orbiter.
If she acts like your mom to you, you’re her orbiter.
Women don’t give alphas commands.
They only give orbiters commands.
She sees you as so low that she thinks an insult like this is ok.
No alpha would be alright with receiving orders like this.
She would know, and would avoid ordering an alpha like the plague.
If she’s ordering you around, you’re a worm to her.
Women don’t fuck worms.
Don’t just do everything a woman says!
Have a backbone and opinions!
You are a man, not a mouse!
8 – She Says You’re Such A Nice Guy
This is a classic.
This is something women tell men that they are sexually disinterested in, so as to not make them feel bad.
If a girl calls you a nice guy, it is a red flag that she sees you as her orbiter!
It probably means that you pushed too many provider buttons, and now she has no sexual interest in you.
To avoid being a “nice guy”, simply avoid pushing all the provider buttons!
Nice guy qualities that push the provider button:
- Getting stuck on one specific girl
- Being timid
- Being overly available
- Kissing up to women
- Doing whatever a woman tells them
- Texting the girl he likes all the time
- Spending too much non-sexual time with women they like
- Talking to women about their guy troubles
- Doing no exercise
- Being overly emotional
- Having no life or real hobbies
Just avoid these, and no girl will call you a “nice guy”.
9 – She Asks Why Other Men Can’t Be Like You
This is something some women do and I think it is a unique form of torture.
They fuck a guy, and hate that he won’t bend, so they tell one of their orbiters all about it.
They then tell the orbiter: “Why can’t all men be as good as you?”.
This is womanese for: “Why can’t the alphas I enjoy fucking kiss my ass like the guys I would never fuck.”
It is torture because the orbiter never had a chance to fuck in the first place, but the girl is saying that he’s a good guy. She’s rewarding his stupid behaviour with a compliment.
She’s dooming him to continue to repeat the mistakes that he’s making, all for her, and womankind’s benefit.
Torturous, for sure.
I hate that some women lead men down the path of misery like this.
It is one of the reasons I made this blog.
I wanted to do something good for the world, goddamnit!
Why not make the world a happier place, one fuck at a time?
10 – You Spend A Lot of Non-Sexual Time Together
The more non-sexual time you spend with a girl before you’ve had sex, the further you sink into the orbiter category.
If you go past 2 hours or so (spread out over 2 dates) and haven’t even made a hint at being sexually interested in a girl, she’s going to think one of two things:
- You’re not interested in women
- You’re an orbiter
These are not things that you want to subcommunicate as a person who’s trying to get laid.
NEVER spend non-sexual time with women.
Do that with your friends, not girls you’re trying to fuck.
Every meetup you have with a girl should contain some element of sex.
If it doesn’t, it’s your fault.
You need to logistically plan for dates, such that you can fuck the girl (after the first date, of course).
This means that you need some kind of venue to fuck in, and you need to be isolated 1 on 1.
If you’re not doing this, she sure as hell won’t.
It is YOUR job to get you laid, not hers.
So lead!
If you don’t lead the girl and fuck her you’re only going to one place, orbiter land!
Conclusion
Many men, especially those new to seduction, or very young men, struggle with being put in the friendzone.
Look out for these signs so as to prevent them from causing problems in your life.
Keep in mind, these are things that you should never do pre-sex, and should limit even after you’ve fucked her twice.
To recap, here they are:
- Texting her all the time
- Going on fancy dates
- Driving her around everywhere
- Being LJBF’d and sticking around
- Having long phone conversations
- Talking to her about her relationship problems (past or current)
- Following her orders
- Her telling you you’re such a nice guy
- Her asking you why other men can’t be like you
- You spending a lot of non-sexual time together
These are all things that you should aim to reduce.
You want to fuck, not be someone’s time ho.
Peace!
-Helios
Frequently Asked Questions:
She Tells Me That She Wishes All Guys Were As Good As Me, Am I In?
You’re fucked.
She sees you as her orbiter.
Move on to a woman you haven’t royally fucked up.
We’re Always Texting And She Says I’m Awesome, Should I Ask Her On A Date?
You can certainly try.
She’s going to LJBF you though, mark my words.
DON’T text her all the time.
Goddamn…
My Best Friend Says Her Boyfriend Is A Dick, Can I Fuck Her?
Why oh why are you best friends with a girl you want to fuck?
Do you like being tortured?
You’re not even close to fucking her.
You’re the loser she goes to when she needs to vent about her hot, asshole boyfriend.
Congrats bro, you’re her time ho!
I’m Always There When My Friend Rachel Needs Me, I Drive Her Everywhere and Have Even Helped Her Move. When Do We Get to Fucking?
Never.
You’re the loser she asks for free favours.
You’re done bro.
Go after a different girl, she’s using you.
I Always Do What Emily Wants, Do You Think She Likes Me?
Most women like having their asses kissed.
Do they fuck the men who do it?
Nope!
Where’s your backbone dude?
Are you a man, or a mouse?
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